[WSMDiscuss] Launch of RED website, call for your contributions!
Ashish Kothari
chikikothari at gmail.com
Sun Jul 30 21:49:44 CEST 2017
Thanks, Jai. I am attaching:
1. a brief background note on the Vikalp Sangam (Alternatives
Confluence) process
2. the 'In Search of Alternatives' note (this is an evolving note, the
one attached is its 5th version, and it will keep evolving with each
Sangam/Confluence that we hold as it is discussed in each as an attempt
at a bottom-up conceptualisation of a society we want).
3. the 'Alternatives Transformation Format' mentioned below.
More on the process and outputs can be found at:
http://www.kalpavriksh.org/index.php/alternatives/alternatives-knowledge-center/353-vikalp-sangam-coverage
As given below, the website related to the process is
www.vikalpsangam.org or www.alternativesindia.org.
Happy to respond to queries ... and happier still if someone wants to
carry out a similar process somewhere else and wants inputs (we recently
helped organise one in Lebanon!).
thanks
ashish
Ashish Kothari
Kalpavriksh
Apt 5 Shree Datta Krupa
908 Deccan Gymkhana
Pune 411004, India
Tel: 91-20-25654239; 91-20-25675450
http://kalpavriksh.org
www.vikalpsangam.org
www.iccaconsortium.org
http://ashishkothari51.blogspot.in/
Twitter: @chikikothari
On 30/07/17 6:11 PM, JS CACIM wrote:
>
> Sunday, July 30, 2017
>
> Hi Ashish
>
> Just briefly : Thanks for this warm and welcoming
> response. I’m relieved to know that you – and I hope also Pallav –
> have seen my ‘critical embrace’ in this way; unfortunately, it's
> sometimes seen as being a little too critical and a little too tight !
>
> Thanks in particular for confirming that you will address
> the points I make in what you launch shortly. This is great to know.
>
> Thanks also for the brief summary of the Vikalp Sangam
> process, which I suspect will be of interest to many on this list.
> Though you may well have posted this before – well, on this list’s
> predecessor list, WSFDiscuss - I think it may be very useful if you
> were, at this stage, to also now post a link to the Vikalp Sangam
> process, if it's available, and also perhaps a copy of the note ‘In
> Search of Alternatives’.
>
> As for my point regarding also addressing and embracing
> the incivil (please note the term I use though, which I see as being
> very different from the term ‘uncivil’), yes broadly speaking those
> are the sections of society that I am referring to.[1] <#_ftn1> And
> again, I’m happy to see your agreeing that it would be a great pity if
> your initiative were to get stuck only in the world of ngos etc. But,
> having said this, let me also just raise a warning – and speaking from
> experience - that because of a whole host of structural factors that
> always come into play, in my experience at least the tendency to end
> up focusing on what so-called ‘civil society’ organisations and
> peoples think and experience and do is very strong; that is too often
> the default setting. So, if you don’t mind my saying so, I suspect
> that you will have to constantly struggle against this….
>
> Indeed collaboration between the WSM list and this site (and its
> related RED list) would be most welcome and useful. How precisely to
> do this, we should discuss ... at the very least I guess to pick up
> things from each other and highlight them.
>
> Again, I’m very glad to have this response. So let’s talk – off
> list !
>
> Pl. also contribute one or more pieces yourself ... perhaps a short
> one to start with, based on the books you have just brought out?
>
> Thanks for the invitation; let me think about this.
>
> Yes, pl feel free to circulate to other lists, and they can respond
> directly to me and Pallav.
>
> Have done so !
>
> With very warm greetings in solidarity, and looking
> forward to the launch –
>
> Jai
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [1] <#_ftnref1>I make and discuss this differentiation, among other
> things, in my contribution to the books I've edited that are coming
> out soon, in an essay titled ‘Break Free ! Engaging Critically with
> the Concept and Reality of Civil Society’. For those who can’t wait
> that long :-), there is an earlier version of my arguments in an essay
> titled ‘The power of civility’, available @
> https://independent.academia.edu/JaiSen. And for those really
> interested, I also gave a talk / seminar based on my current essay
> that is available at
> http://www.esgindia.org/events/events/break-free.html.
>
>
>> On Jul 29, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Ashish Kothari <chikikothari at gmail.com
>> <mailto:chikikothari at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Jai,
>>
>> Many many thanks for a considered and helpful response. The
>> constructive criticism is most welcome, and we hope we can do justice
>> to these points in the message we will put across when we launch the
>> site, and in further communications. All three additional points, or
>> points of elaboration, are welcome.
>>
>> On the 2nd of your points, this is what we are attempting through the
>> Vikalp Sangam process in India ... connecting the practical and
>> everyday lived experience with conceptual, ideological, ethical
>> perspectives that emerge from them, or that connect to key
>> alternative ideologies that exist out there. This is through tools
>> like the note 'In Search of Alternatives'. It is a rather imperfect
>> attempt, but nevertheless an explicit one! And so we do hope we can
>> do it also through the RED site and processes that go into it.
>>
>> I am not fully clear of your reference to the 'uncivil', but if you
>> mean workers, indigenous peoples, fishers, those of different
>> sexualities, and so on, yes the RED site needs to be not only open
>> but especially welcoming of these. It would be a failure if it got
>> stuck to 'NGOs' or those in the formal 'civil' spaces. But perhaps I
>> am not fully understanding your reference to uncivil?
>>
>> Indeed collaboration between the WSM list and this site (and its
>> related RED list) would be most welcome and useful. How precisely to
>> do this, we should discuss ... at the very least I guess to pick up
>> things from each other and highlight them.
>>
>> Pl. also contribute one or more pieces yourself ... perhaps a short
>> one to start with, based on the books you have just brought out?
>>
>> THe list of forums and websites (of which I was aware of only a few)
>> is most useful, we will happily look at them to see what connections
>> can be made.
>>
>> Yes, pl feel free to circulate to other lists, and they can respond
>> directly to me and Pallav.
>>
>> Once again, many thanks!
>>
>> Ashish
>>
>> PS, on your rather kind remarks re. the 'balance' we manage to keep
>> connections amongst various circles and see them as overlapping and
>> intersecting ... I am not so sure we manage it so well! But on this,
>> it would be good to collectively reflect at some point. Next month we
>> are doing a self-assessment from a 5-sphere perspective (ecological,
>> political, economic, social, cultural) to see what our points of
>> strength and more importantly, weaknesses, are. We will use a
>> preliminary tool 'ALternatives Transformation Format' that we've
>> worked out partly based on the Vikalp Sangam process ... I'd be happy
>> to send this to anyone interested!
>>
>>
>> Ashish Kothari
>> Kalpavriksh
>> Apt 5 Shree Datta Krupa
>> 908 Deccan Gymkhana
>> Pune 411004, India
>> Tel: 91-20-25654239; 91-20-25675450
>> http://kalpavriksh.org
>> www.vikalpsangam.org
>> www.iccaconsortium.org
>> http://ashishkothari51.blogspot.in/
>> Twitter: @chikikothari
>>
>> On 28/07/17 7:03 PM, JS CACIM wrote:
>>>
>>> Friday, July 28, 2017
>>>
>>> Greetings Ashish !
>>>
>>> This is mostly just to warmly congratulate you and Pallav – and
>>> Kalpavriksh ? – on this initiative, and to appreciate your taking up
>>> this mantle. It is also wonderful to see how you are progressing –
>>> and managing to progress, which is no mean feat -, step by step;
>>> from Kalpavriksh, to the Vikalp Sangam, and to the Radical
>>> Ecological Democracy blog space, and now from there to a RED
>>> interactive webspace…. (and where, as I’m sure you know, ‘red’ in
>>> Spanish also means… network !)
>>>
>>> (Even though you have asked us, if we have responses, to not reply
>>> all – ie onto the list - but only to you and Pallav, as list admin I
>>> am selfishly also posting this on WSMDiscuss in the hope that this
>>> might open up some discussion on the list of your initiative !)
>>>
>>> In fact, I guess that even this is in fact an incorrect
>>> picturisation, because as I understand it, you are not ‘stepping’
>>> from one to the other, but always also remaining in each circle, and
>>> so where they are in a way, either concentric circles, ever
>>> widening, or overlapping circles… ecologically interconnected.
>>> Personally, I am astonished how you are being able to successfully
>>> manage this marvellous and fine balance ( I have always found this
>>> not just difficult but just about impossible), and so I seriously do
>>> hope that you and your colleagues will at some point reflect
>>> (critically !) and write about how you are managing to do this.
>>> (And share that with us, on this list !)
>>>
>>> Without wanting to make this message too long, I also want to say
>>> that as I see it, what you are attempting and aiming at, as
>>> summarised in these questions, is so similar to what we at what is
>>> now World Social Movement Discuss also want to do; the questions you
>>> list out are also so appropriate to what this list is about – and so
>>> where I anyway, would like to hope that there might be ways in which
>>> we could even collaborate across our respective initiatives (such
>>> as, as a minimum, each of us tapping each other’s archives ?). Let’s
>>> talk about this, and about ways in which we could make this work.
>>>
>>> Having said this, there are also a couple of comments I
>>> would like to make, which I hope you will read in the spirit of
>>> critical embrace that I offer them :
>>>
>>> First, I think it would be very useful if you were to consider
>>> adding three aspects that I think are, I think, implied in what you
>>> say here – but, I feel, always need to be spelled out (in your own
>>> words, of course) :
>>>
>>> One, to not just report and inform etc but also to always keep a
>>> critically awareness of the larger context within which what we are
>>> reporting on is taking place, and to critically reflect on that;
>>>
>>> Two, I suggest, and related to the first point, to look not only at
>>> ‘movements from below’ – which is what comes across in your
>>> questions - but also at what some have called ‘movements from
>>> above’, and at the interrelationship, and to therefore always
>>> attempt developing a structural (and dialectical) perspective on
>>> things that are happening, and unfolding….; and –
>>>
>>> Three, to add / spell out ‘communalism’, ‘casteism’, and ‘racism’ to
>>> the forms of power that you want to overcome. (I know that these
>>> could be considered to be included within your saying “other forms
>>> of concentration of power”, but… I think that in the world we live
>>> in, it’s useful not to be silent on these but to also spell them
>>> out.) And also what some people call the ‘intersectionality’.
>>>
>>> And second, if you don't mind my saying this, to somewhere and
>>> somehow make clear that you want / RED wants to not only hear from
>>> the ‘civil’ world, and from so-called ‘civil society’, and to know
>>> about ‘civil’ initiatives and so on, but also from those who are
>>> challenging the civil world, from outside and also sort of ‘from
>>> within’…; from those I term the ‘incivil’ (and / but where I see
>>> that others are also beginning to use this term and perspective). At
>>> the moment, I feel that your call – and even if using terms such as
>>> ‘transformative’ - is still too ‘civil’, and too much addressed to
>>> the ‘civil’ world.
>>>
>>> Again, I hope you will not mind my making these
>>> comments, and may even find them useful !
>>>
>>> Let me end by being more obviously constructive, and in
>>> response to your request, suggest a few other forums that I think
>>> RED shares space with and might want relate to, some civil and some
>>> incivil :
>>>
>>> The initiative in Abya Yala [‘South America’] named Crisis de
>>> Civilizacion Y Paradigmas Alternativos [‘Crisis of Civilisation and
>>> Alternative Paradigms’]; contact the list admin Roberto Espinoza at
>>> ayamtai08 at gmail.com <mailto:ayamtai08 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Ecosocialist Horizons, at www.ecosocialisthorizons.com
>>> <http://www.ecosocialisthorizons.com/>
>>>
>>> Indymedia, at https://indymedia.org/or/index.shtml
>>>
>>> Interface, at http://www.interfacejournal.net/
>>>
>>> Open Movements : The ISA47 platform on www.opendemocracy.net
>>> <http://www.opendemocracy.net/>
>>>
>>> New Socialist, at http://www.newsocialist.org/
>>>
>>> Peoples Studies, at www.peoples-studies.com
>>> <http://www.peoples-studies.com/>
>>>
>>> Rabble, at www.rabble.ca <http://www.rabble.ca/>
>>>
>>> Resistance Studies Initiative, at www.resistancestudies.org
>>> <http://www.resistancestudies.org/>
>>>
>>> Waging Nonviolence, at https://wagingnonviolence.org/
>>>
>>> Yes magazine, at www.yesmagazine.org <http://www.yesmagazine.org/>
>>>
>>> You may also find some of the following of interest – the list of
>>> Web Pages and Blog spots from the first of my two current /
>>> forthcoming books, just copied and pasted in :
>>>
>>> http://barrikadazapatista.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> http://chiapas.indymedia.org/
>>>
>>> http://contralarepresion.wordpress.com/2010/06/
>>>
>>> http://detodos-paratodos.blogspot.com/2009/03/concluye-el-encuentro-de-mujeres-mama.html
>>>
>>>
>>> http://dignarabia.ezln.org.mx/
>>>
>>> http://enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx/
>>>
>>> http://lahorasexta.podomatic.com/
>>>
>>> http://mujeresylasextaorg.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> http://revistarebeldia.org/
>>>
>>> http://rinconzapatistazac.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> http://union-rebelde.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> http://zapateando.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> http://zeztainternazional.ezln.org.mx/
>>>
>>> http://www.capise.org.mx/
>>>
>>> http://www.cedoz.org/site/
>>>
>>> http://www.chiapasmediaproject.org/
>>>
>>> http://www.coloquiointernacionalandresaubry.org/
>>>
>>> http://www.contralaimpunidad.org/index.php
>>>
>>> http://www.encuentroindigena.org/
>>>
>>> http://www.europazapatista.org/
>>>
>>> http://www.nodo50.org/pchiapas/chiapas/documentos/caracol/caracol.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.radioinsurgente.org/
>>>
>>> http://www.radiozapatista.org/IIEncuentro.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.radiozapatista.org/index.html
>>>
>>> http://www.serazln-altos.org/index.html
>>>
>>> In critical solidarity – as always ! A luta continua !
>>>
>>> Jai
>>>
>>> PS : May I also forward your post onto other lists ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Ashish Kothari via WSM-Discuss
>>>> <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net
>>>> <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> Our new initiative, the launch of the Radical Ecological Democracy
>>>> website is just a couple of weeks away. Through this website we
>>>> hope to engage people around the world on the practice and notion
>>>> of transformative alternatives: initiatives that can challenge and
>>>> ultimately replace the currently dominant structures of patriarchy,
>>>> capitalism, statism, and other forms of concentration of power that
>>>> have institutionalized dire inequality all around the world and
>>>> thrown it into a severe ecological emergency. We are thrilled that
>>>> many of you have already become a part of this journey by sharing
>>>> your expertise through articles and discussions for the site, and
>>>> hopefully many more of you will consider contributing stories,
>>>> perspectives, poetry, art pieces, or other forms of expression to
>>>> enliven and diversify. We also want this website to act as an
>>>> international bulletin board for the exchange of news,
>>>> announcements, appeals and general shout-outs on issues that you
>>>> think are important for the people frequenting this site to be
>>>> aware of, with a focus on transformative alternatives. So, if you
>>>> have a contribution to make on any of the following points then
>>>> please write to us:
>>>>
>>>> -- Is there a grassroots initiative towards alternatives in your
>>>> part of the world which is gaining momentum and which the rest of
>>>> the world needs to know of?
>>>> -- Is there a people's movement attempting alternatives, which is
>>>> being suppressed by the state or corporate interests, or facing
>>>> other threats and needs support … and any related protests/movement
>>>> actions that need publicity?
>>>> -- Are there any events (conferences, workshops, festivals, meets)
>>>> relevant to transformative alternatives coming up, and need to be
>>>> publicized?
>>>> -- Are there any stories of people's triumphs which the world
>>>> should know about and draw positive energy from?
>>>> -- Are there any mistakes in the practice and conceptualisation of
>>>> alternatives, which need sharing so that they're not repeated
>>>> elsewhere?
>>>> -- Are there other websites and forums that are similar to this
>>>> one, and need to be linked to (as also not duplicated!)?
>>>>
>>>> Let us know if you want a committed audience to be aware of what's
>>>> happening in your part of the world. Obviously, we'll make sure
>>>> that no unwanted, trivial or irresponsible item features on the
>>>> website (and if by oversight it does, pl. tell us to take if
>>>> off!). Please send your contribution to Pallav. Also, spread the
>>>> word among your colleagues and comrades and encourage them to
>>>> contribute. We hope that through this effort we can join hands (and
>>>> feet, minds, and hearts!) to do our bit in laying the foundation of
>>>> a new narrative.
>>>>
>>>> UNLESS RELEVANT TO EVERYONE, PL. RESPOND ONLY TO ME AND PALLAV, THANKS!
>>>> In solidarity,
>>>> Ashish Kothari / Pallav Das (dpallav at gmail.com)
>>>>
>>>> P.S. : some of you would be familiar with the precursor to this
>>>> website, the bloghttp://radicalecologicaldemocracy.wordpress.com;
>>>> this site is an attempt to fully upgrade that initiative into a
>>>> more active, interactive forum. As this initiative is currently
>>>> completely voluntary, we also welcome any financial contributions
>>>> that you can make or can point us to, from sources that will not
>>>> compromise our basic orientation towards justice of all kinds.
>>>>
>>>> PS 2: For those interested, we coordinate a website for similar
>>>> articles/stories, news/events on alternatives in
>>>> India:www.vikalpsangam.orgorwww.alternativesindia.org.
>>>> --
>>>> Ashish Kothari
>>>> Kalpavriksh
>>>> Apt 5 Shree Datta Krupa
>>>> 908 Deccan Gymkhana
>>>> Pune 411004, India
>>>> Tel: 91-20-25654239; 91-20-25675450
>>>> http://kalpavriksh.org
>>>> www.vikalpsangam.org
>>>> www.iccaconsortium.org
>>>> http://ashishkothari51.blogspot.in/
>>>> Twitter: @chikikothari
>>>>
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