[WSMDiscuss] Halt destruction of nature

Karl-Heinz Thier k.thier at gmx.com
Fri May 1 18:56:05 CEST 2020

Were you not inclined to say (and to misunderstand me): "I don't want to
hop around in the jungle again." Well, in a certain sense, I want.
Follow my genes, not ideologies.

Second, how did it happen, this evolutionary glitch: man? Usually,
mishaps are extinguished rapidly by evolution.

How to derive a practical way to socialism from such a standpoint?

Fourth, how to address "the people"? How "to struggle" effectually?

Fifth, is there enough time to stop the fatal development?

I maintain, you cannot answer theses questions. That's our disagreement.


Thanks for the comments, Karl-Heinz, but I'm not sure where our
disagreement is.
I agree with you that humans are animals and have done a marvelous job
of destroying much of the planet, using science and technology to do
this. I also agree that one of the serious problems with most current
(and past) science is that it fails to critique the view that humans are
"the emperor of nature". I also believe that solving the current
ecological crisis is not a job for scientists but rather for people
everywhere (hopefully including some scientists) who recognize how the
ideology they are socialized with is at fault and how it has to change,
through struggle. I believe that science and technology will change in
this process (not after it, as I implied in my earlier statement).

On 4/30/20 09:43, Karl-Heinz Thier wrote:
Dear Michael Gasser,

If you have to wait for a post-capitalist society to be understood by
"the people" your science is wrong. "The people" would understand: Man
is an animal. However, most of "the people" and all acknowledged
scientists like you refrain from this scientific truth because they have
been socialised by capitalist ideology. If you want to unhinge
capitalism you have to change the paradigm. Man is just not the emperor
of nature.

Our genes are not made for flying from Europe to Africa. Cuckoos are
made for this. They do so better and without less expenditure. We
destroy our habitat. That`s understood by "the people". That`s the start
of revolution in everybody's mind. Socialism is primarily a mental
affair. I can derive socialism from a consistent anthropology.

Karl-Heinz Thier

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