[WSMDiscuss] World Social Forum: Pre-call to movements
Jai Sen
jai.sen at cacim.net
Fri May 8 23:20:03 CEST 2020
Friday, May 8, 2020
Greetings, friends and comrades on WSMDiscuss !
I’m writing to post onto the list the major contribution to our exchange that I’ve received today from Gustave Massiah, former and perhaps still now, President of CRID in France – Centre de Recherche et d'Information pour le Développment – and who as I've written before, an Elder in the WSF who has played a key role over the past decade within the WSF, especially in terms of strategic thinking and perspective. Which as you will see below, he offers to us again, here, today… For which, my deep and sincere thanks, Gus !
In doing so however, I’m doing some invasive surgery on this thread :-) First, Gus has ‘replied’ to my post on May 6 – but where, even on that thread, there has been quite a lot of subsequent exchange, and so for me to just copy paste his text in after mine of May 6 would mean sort of ‘erasing’ all the subsequent memory; which I don’t think is right. So I’m doing so from the last post on that thread of exchange.
Second, Patrick, in your post, I see that you have chosen to come in and ‘reply’ within the same thread – but deleting everying that went before. This is all fine, and is normal on email exchange – but as list admin, I feel that this discussion is important enough that we need to try to maintain the integrity of the whole exchange.
I’m therefore taking the liberty here of combining the two threads here, by copy pasting in here below the material that is on the Patrick Bond-initiated subthread.
Also, thank you Francine, for copying in the WSF’s International Council in one of your interventions. Especially since many on the current IC may not even know of this list and of its long history of association with the WSF’s emergence.
I have some other thoughts of my own in relation to the exchange that has taken place on this list, but I’m not adding those in here. I’ll see where and when I can come in with them, later.
In the meanwhile, Gus Massiah’s note. Once again, my warm thanks Gus, and in memory also of Immanuel, who you recall in your note… It would have been very good to have had him here today.
Jai
PS : I also attach here, as Gus has done in his email to me, a copy in Word of his note. But where, please note, I have done some very mild proofing of his text, for copy pasting in here below :
> On May 8, 2020, at 1:12 PM, gustave massiah <massiah at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
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> Dear Jay
> here are some reflections in response to your question
> warmly
> gustave massiah
Thank you very much, Jay, for your question. WSM Discuss has become one of the essential sources of alterglobalism, with a rare ability to combine an open critical vision of the WSF with a real interest in the renewal of alterglobalism.
Here are some considerations on the situation :
The question of the evolution of the WSF must be asked. It is even more so with the rupture we are experiencing in the international situation.
The WSF is now defined as a process formed by the different national, regional and thematic forums and events.
The International Council is still useful but its function has to be redefined.
There is not often a quorum in the IC meetings, and the last meeting counted 22 associations and movements; with many regions with little or no presence (Asia, Africa).
An event in Mexico City could be of interest.
On the condition that the Mexican movements are really carrying it and that they are numerous to carry it.
It can be a regional or continental Forum or a special Forum on the situation.
Can it be defined as a World Forum? It may be a step in the redefinition of the World Social Forum, provided that it opens the debate on the renewal of alterglobalism.
It will also be necessary to assess whether in 2021 a large-scale international event will be possible.
It will be necessary to see whether enough regions agree to participate in it.
It will also be necessary to consider the new models that a world social forum could take.
In any case, the World Social Forum needs to be reinvented, taking into account three major issues
Alterglobalism is a proposal that gains greater relevance in the new situation.
This situation is a rupture and not a parenthesis; we are not going to return to the previous world; the world to come will be characterized by possible pandemics and ecological rupture.
Alterglobalism is confronted with the rise of the national dimension; this is not just the rise of nationalisms associated with racist and securitarian ideologies.
The insurrectional movements of previous years saw the flowering of national flags.
On the other hand, it is the nation states that have responded to the pandemic.
There is a need to redefine the articulation between internationalism and alterglobalism.
This reinforces the necessity and importance of alterglobalism, but it requires redefining it as a movement of movements and it opens the debate on the definition of strategies.
Alterglobalism is a space for social movements and has participated in their renewal.
But it has not included all the movements; even if it has been accepted and recognized by several of them, they have not really appropriated it.
This was clear with the movements of the years 2011 (occupy, indignant, ..).
Currently, we can identify five sets of movements that present different cultures of mobilization and elaboration.
- The social movements that represent the social struggles of working class, salaried, peasants, students and also part of the feminist movements, the defence of rights movements, the international solidarity movements – all constitute the essential part of the anti-globalization movement.
- The movements of the popular districts, the racialized and part of the feminist movements that define themselves against discrimination and that have an intersectional approach reaffirm their autonomy and claim their recognition.
Some of them, particularly Afro-Brazilian women, have played a role in the forums. But on the whole, they have stayed away from the forums.
- The climate urgency and ecological priority movements have worked with the forums several times but have developed autonomously.
- Movements since 2011, in response to the 2008 financial crisis, have been extended and gained in magnitude with major demonstrations in 47 countries in 2019.
Many of their active activists have participated at the Social Forums, but they refused to join them as a movement.
- Since the beginning of the pandemic crisis in 2020, we have seen new local solidarity movements experimenting new forms of intervention.
The renewal of the alterglobalist movement does not pass through a simple convergence of struggles.
It requires acknowledging the diversity of cultures of social movements and building unity in projects and in the definition of strategies.
The challenge of alterglobalism is to define a strategy. It is on this issue that we must open the debate and confront the options.
As we leave the confinements, the contradictions will sharpen.
This strategy articulates resistance to neo-liberal globalization with the definition and implementation of alternatives for social, ecological, feminist, democratic and geopolitical transformation.
Resistance will have to face the shock strategy illustrated by regimes that put forward racist, xenophobic and securitarian ideologies.
It will have to confront the project of a part of the ruling classes that will want to move from authoritarian neoliberalism to dictatorial neoliberalism.
The alternatives will be based on the consciousness in the battle for cultural hegemony.
Thus, the awareness of the ecological emergency; the awareness of the extent of inequality and discrimination;
the importance of equal rights in health, education, income, work, ...;
the importance of public action and public services; the importance of democracy and freedoms; the rejection of subordination in international relations; ...
The strategic debate will also focus on medium-term objectives and alliances.
Globalization is already differentiated according to major regions.
Proposals differentiated according to countries and regions are being debated, such as the Green New Deal led by Alexandra Ocasio Cortiz and the American left.
The strategic debate will focus on the nature of power and of the transition.
How to go beyond the strategy that the internationals had adopted and that has been discussed since the first international: building a party, to conquer the state, to change society.
The strategic discussion refers to the question of power and politics.
As our dear Immanuel Wallerstein used to say, we have to admit that a party built to conquer the state becomes a party-state even before it has conquered the state,
and that the state, whose forms have to be redefined, is not the only way to transform society.
How social and citizen movements will succeed to create the space able to build relationships of equality, in the respect of diversity, in order to build together another possible world.
gustave massiah
08-05-2020
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Gustave Massiah, May 2020 - Note for WSM Discuss on the WSF - massiah 8-05-2020
[Patrick Bond subthread :]
> On May 8, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Francine Mestrum via WSM-Discuss <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net> wrote:
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> Dear Patrick,
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> Yes indeed, there are several good an interesting global initiatives, this is hopeful. But it will be starting all over again, hopefully learning the lessons of the past. Concerning the WSF, apparenbtly there is hardly anyone willing to invest in it as it has been hijacked by undemocratic and bureaucratic fundamentalists. One of my friends calls them 'talmudists'. A shame and a pity, but that is how it is.
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> Best,
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> Francine Mestrum
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> Brussels
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> On May 8, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Patrick Bond <pbond at mail.ngo.za> wrote:
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> Hi all, comrades and friends,
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> With the problems apparently growing within the WSF, I had the impression that instead, we would be seeing revitalised commitments to internationalist networking and action - and also social movement coordination - via 'sectoral' ('thematic') fora. Is that a misimpression?
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> The danger of sector-segregated work is that it degenerates into NGO-style "inside the silo" politics in which linkages across the terrains of struggle are artificially truncated. Many of the international NGO funders encourage just this sort of narrowness, in part to prevent the Big Picture from emerging - and hence non-reformist reforms from arising.
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> However, over a few decades, we've witnessed an excellent set of internationalist networks in various specific sectors - land, water, climate justice, media and ICT, healthcare, feminism, indigenous rights, trade, debt and perhaps also more general economic justice via Occupiers or social-economy advocates - and these can always be rebuilt where appropriate. Moving across and beyond sectors via the WSF was one of its attractions.
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> What I felt at a WSF event in 2018, here in Johannesburg in the form of the anti-extractivism thematic forum, was a potential return of that spirit (see below if you are interested in this case study). I gather there was a Barcelona economic-thematic forum scheduled for next month, but haven't heard the latest.
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> Is this a way forward, after the Covid-19 dust settles and the global progressive movement begins to regather our wits, and maybe even reconvene in various ways to reformulate our desires for internationalist solidarity? (I was on a call last weekend, of international ecosocialists, who believe the 2021 Glasgow climate mobilisation could be that sort of event.)
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> Cheers,
> Patrick
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> ***
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> Mining conflicts multiply, as critics of “extractivism” gather in Johannesburg <https://www.pambazuka.org/advocacy-campaigns/mining-conflicts-multiply-critics-%E2%80%9Cextractivism%E2%80%9D-gather-johannesburg>
> <https://www.pambazuka.org/print/99758> <https://www.pambazuka.org/printmail/99758> <https://www.pambazuka.org/printpdf/99758>
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> Photo source: Zambian Eye
> Patrick Bond <https://www.pambazuka.org/taxonomy/term/3429>
> Nov 10, 2018
> The World Social Forum’s “Thematic Forum on Mining and Extractivism <https://www.thematicsocialforum.org/>” convenes from 12-15 November 2018 in Johannesburg, South Africa, just after the Southern Africa People’s Tribunal on Transnational Corporations <http://aidc.org.za/3rd-session-peoples-permanent-tribunal/>. In between, at the notorious 2012 massacre site on the platinum belt to the west, there is a launch of a new book – Business as Usual after Marikana <http://www.jacana.co.za/book-categories/new-releases-65840/business-as-usual-after-marikana-detail>– critical not only of the mining house Lonmin but of its international financiers and buyers.
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> This is the moment for a profoundly critical standpoint to take root, unhindered by ineffectual reformism associated with Corporate Social Responsibility <https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/e/9781317906599/chapters/10.4324%2F9781315848341-18> gimmicks and the mining sector’s civilised-society watchdogging at the mainly uncritical <https://www.pambazuka.org/global-south/we-need-real-%E2%80%9Calternatives-mining%E2%80%9D-indaba> Alternative Mining Indaba. That non-governmental organisations-dominated event occurs annually in Cape Town every February, at the same time and place where the extractive mega-corporations gather.
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> The Thematic Forum firmly opposes <https://www.thematicsocialforum.org/> “extractivism.” Unlike the Indaba <https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/13/disconnecting-the-minerals-energy-climate-dots/>, it aims to connect the dots between oppressions, defining its target as extraction of “so-called natural resources” in a way that is “devastating and degrading,” since mining exacerbates “conditions of global warming and climate injustice. It subjects local economies to a logic of accumulation that privately benefits corporations,” and represses “traditional, indigenous and peasant communities by violations of human rights, affecting in particular the lives of women and children.”
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> The last point is not incidental, as two of the main organisers are the Southern Africa Rural Women’s Assembly <https://www.facebook.com/SARuralWomen/?fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARD2VrKCXK7yqD6rKMom_LW-6VGnCS9Imhl70G2O_nUmjBvNx6LR_TsMqsq8kkxd_sGdBOX-kXp0H6kcjoQMvp1ZhvT3CmkqXD_ohBwVANwOrcoEdqRRWRBJzU-ZU9Ycc2uKiNZykrD8yrsRV_i4qc7pcMUSw8e940KT8T054yK95L_jUsPTYi5ajei5E7KdGXaR9TKsoS7a-eCIRN0NpSs-Mwc&__tn__=K-R> and the WoMin <https://womin.org.za/> network: “African Women Unite Against Destructive Resource Extraction.” Inspired by Amadiba Crisis Committee activists in the Eastern Cape’s Wild Coast, they have campaigned hard for the #Right2SayNo <https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/right2sayno?source=feed_text&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARD2VrKCXK7yqD6rKMom_LW-6VGnCS9Imhl70G2O_nUmjBvNx6LR_TsMqsq8kkxd_sGdBOX-kXp0H6kcjoQMvp1ZhvT3CmkqXD_ohBwVANwOrcoEdqRRWRBJzU-ZU9Ycc2uKiNZykrD8yrsRV_i4qc7pcMUSw8e940KT8T054yK95L_jUsPTYi5ajei5E7KdGXaR9TKsoS7a-eCIRN0NpSs-Mwc&__tn__=%2ANK-R>.
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> Last month, such rights language proved invaluable in the Constitutional Court in Johannesburg, when the Itireleng community won <https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-11-01-maledu-judgment-victory-for-the-constitution-over-mining-evictions/> a judgement <http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZACC/2018/41.html> against displacement from their farm, under attack by a local platinum mining house. (This was pleasantly surprising to many of us who are Court critics, given how much corporate power <https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Corporate+rights+in+South+Africa.-a019528162> is hardwired into South Africa’s founding document.)
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> On the Wild Coast last month, South Africa’s Mining Minister Gwede Mantashe <https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-09-27-from-xolobeni-to-the-mining-charter-community-members-marginalised/> had shown how desperately he wants investment by the likes of aggressive Australian titanium mining firm MRC <https://www.moneyweb.co.za/mineweb/mining-companies-investment/awkward-questions-get-short-shrift-at-mrc-annual-general-meeting/>. But the Amadiba Crisis Committee <https://www.facebook.com/amadibacrisiscommittee/> and its allies have consistently shown their ability to say “No!”
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> No means no
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> The Forum’s opening morning features a demonstration at the nearby world headquarters of AngloGold Ashanti, the locally listed firm shamed in 2005 by Human Rights Watch <https://www.hrw.org/report/2005/06/01/curse-gold> for its alliances with warlords during the minerals-related murder of millions of people in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo. In 2011, AngloGold Ashanti won the title “world’s most irresponsible corporation” at the “Davos Public Eye” ceremony <https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=202199> organised outside the World Economic Forum by Greenpeace and the Berne Declaration.
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> Since then the firm has attracted even more intense community, labour, feminist and environmental protests from Chile <http://ejatlas.org/conflict/mina-cerro-vanguardia> to Colombia <https://earthfirstjournal.org/newswire/2018/03/27/how-a-tiny-colombian-village-beat-the-worlds-third-largest-gold-mining-company/> to Ghana <http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2017/mar/30/profiteering-mars-record-black-african-gold-mining/> to Guinea <http://www.miningweekly.com/article/anglogold-ashantis-guinea-mine-hit-by-violent-power-cuts-protests-2018-06-28> to Tanzania <https://www.mdpi.com/2079-9276/1/1/3/htm>, as well as in South Africa <https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2017-06-29-miners-rise-up-and-march-as-anglo-gold-ashanti-fires-salvo-to-cut-8500-jobs/> over mass retrenchments, inadequate pay and delay of silicosis-related compensation payments. It is a sick company, with its Johannesburg Stock Exchange (JSE) price having fallen by more than half since a mid-2016 peak (and even further from its 2006-12 JSE valuations).
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> Criticised <https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/companies/mining/2018-07-23-anglogold-ashanti-appoints-barricks-kelvin-dushnisky-as-ceo/> by investors who believe “AngloGold has not matched up to its global peers” in large part because of less profitable South African holdings, AngloGold Ashanti is rapidly exiting its home country. The firm <https://books.google.co.za/books/about/Anglo_American_and_the_rise_of_modern_So.html?id=cYhkAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y> made its fortune during the notorious 20th century era of extreme apartheid extractivism when it was run by the Oppenheimer family. Perhaps even worse is the new boss, Kelvin Dushnisky <https://tanzaniabusinessethics.wordpress.com/2018/09/13/kelvin-dushnisky-accountable-for-crimes-violations-human-rights-abuses-damages/>, who has presided over Toronto-based Barrick (the world’s largest gold producer, known in Africa as Acacia) during its recent reign of mining terrorism <http://protestbarrick.net/>, including mass rape <http://protestbarrick.net/article.php@id=1007.html>.
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> The mining corporations under fire at the Forum are not only the typical pinstriped, ethics-challenged cowboys from the London-Toronto-Melbourne-Johannesburg circuits. Next door in Mozambique, Rio-based Vale’s coal-mining operations at Moatize were disrupted last month, according <https://clubofmozambique.com/news/vale-mozambique-suspends-activities-in-moatize-after-protests-watch/> to activist allies at the Associação de Apoio e Assistência Jurídica às Comunidades, due to “excessive pollution [and] acceleration of the decay of houses due to explosion of dynamites.”
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> Albeit trying to “mask brutal exploitation with the language of South-South solidarity,” as documented <https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/vale-corporation-brazil-mining-lula-mozambique-brics> by Canadian researcher Judith Marshall, Vale is brutal in numerous jurisdictions, judged by the Berne Declaration and the Brazilian Movement of Landless Workers as the worst company in the world <https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/30/worst-company-in-the-world-award-goes-to/#76f601d76a0a> in 2012 due to “its labour relations, community impact and environmental record.”
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> In Mozambique, Vale as well as the Indian firms Coal of India, Vedanta and Jindal have been criticised for displacement and destruction. Community protests <https://clubofmozambique.com/news/mzoambique-coal-and-resettlement-by-joseph-hanlon/> against foreign companies are prolific in coal-rich Tete Province. Further east, on the Mozambican coastline, beach sands in some communities have been destroyed by the voracious Chinese firm Haiyu. “They owe us because they have taken our beautiful sand from us and left nothing. We don’t know the quantity of the sand that they took over seven years, but we know that they profited from it and we want our dues. They have taken all the riches here and left us with nothing,” complains <https://mg.co.za/article/2018-10-16-they-have-taken-our-beautiful-sand-from-us-and-left-nothing> Nassire Omar, a local resident who can no longer carry out fishing subsistence.
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> But it may be that Vedanta <http://www.foilvedanta.org/> and its boss Anil Agarwal – who is also Anglo American Corporation’s largest single investor with more than 20 percent of shares – has witnessed the most sustained protest, including a mass protest in May 2018 against the Thoothukudi Sterlite copper plant, which his officials responded to with a massacre of 13 Indians demanding an end to pollution.
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> Protest against Africa’s largest copper mine, Konkola, centres on 1,826 Zambian farmers <http://www.nortonrosefulbright.com/knowledge/publications/158040/emlungowe-v-vedantaem-appeal-highlights-important-points-regarding-parent-company-liability> poisoned by Vedanta. Just before the London Stock Exchange delisting of Vedanta last month, popular reggae musician Maiko Zulu protested <https://www.lusakatimes.com/2018/09/28/maiko-zulu-released-after-kcm-protest/> (and was arrested) at the British High Commission in Lusaka, demanding that authorities deny Agarwal his escape from London prior to justice being served. Agarwal bought <http://www.foilvedanta.org/?s=Konkola> that mine for US $25 million in 2004 and a decade later bragged <https://www.lusakaftimes.com/2014/05/13/video-vedanta-boss-saying-kcm-makes-500-million-profit-per-year/> that ever since he had taken US $500 million to $US 1 billion home from Konkola annually.
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> After extractivism
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> These sorts of Western plus BRICS [Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa] modes of super-exploitation exemplify the mineral, oil and gas looting <https://www.pambazuka.org/economics/new-evidence-africa%E2%80%99s-systematic-looting-provided-increasingly-schizophrenic-world-bank> underway across Africa. The uncompensated extraction of non-renewable resources amounts to an estimated US $150 billion annually, far more even than the US $50-80 billion Illicit Financial Flows and US $50 billion in legal profit repatriation from Africa by mining and petroleum firms.
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> But increasingly, mining houses are pushing the people and environment too far, and resistance is rising. As Anglo American Corporation leader Mark Cutifani remarked <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-17/miners-offer-clinics-bull-rings-as-protests-tie-up-25-billion> in 2015, “There is something like US $25 billion worth of projects tied up or stopped” by mining critics across the world.
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> How activists can increase that figure is the topic of next week’s discussions, along with moving from these critiques to strategies for post-extractivist systems of political economy, political ecology and social reproduction.
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[end of Patrick Bond subthread]
> On May 8, 2020, at 7:13 AM, Francine Mestrum via WSM-Discuss <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net> wrote:
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> If you have evidence Azril, than give it.
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> This is outrageous!
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> Francine
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> Op 08/05/2020 om 12:37 schreef Azril Bacal Roij:
>> Dear Jai and All,
>> My perception might be wrong, but it stands to reason.
>> Actually, I wished to be wrong. But I have evidence otherwise!
>> It was an amazing coincidence of synchronic presence in space and time!
>> I am clearly not gaining popularity votes 😀
>> /Azril
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>> El vie., 8 may. 2020 a las 11:34, Francine Mestrum via WSM-Discuss (<wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>>) escribió:
>> Dear Jai,
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>> Thanks once again for all your efforts concerning the possibly upcoming WSF.
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>> And thanks to Rita, Carminda and Azril for answering, Azril unfortunately repeating his ugly suspicions.
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>> Chico obviously will not answer, as he did not answer my last email to him.
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>> Carminda's offer is very welcome. The matter is we do listen to each other, but one part is not moving at all, talking and dialoguing is meant to reach a compromise, I thought, and that does not happen.
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>> And so I will never know why we cannot discuss Boa's proposal, what is wrong with it, and why it is not enough to respect the Charter of principles.
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>> I think the discussion stops here, I wish the organizers a lot of luck. It was not the effort to talk that was lacking.
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>> Francine
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> On May 7, 2020, at 2:14 AM, Carminda Mac Lorin <carminda.maclorin at katalizo.org> wrote:
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> Dear Jai,
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> Thanks for including me in this conversation. And thanks to Francine and Rita for your inputs. I'm adding to this thread our friends from the Norvegian Social Forum, as I am pretty sure that they will be interested to hear more about what's going on with the WSF, and maybe to give their input from another perspective. Thanks Jai for opening this space for dialogue.
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> I have been following at a the distance the developments of the mexican initiative for the next WSF. I didn't have the opportunity to be in Porto Alegre during the last IC meeting in Porto Alegre, so it is difficult to give my opinion on what is going on precisely. I've heard and read many different opinions, and two things seem evident to me: 1) Beyond the different points raised by Rita, there is no clear consensus about what is happening, nor about what should happen ; 2) the space/actor debate is as present as always.
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> I believe that the debate proposed in June is more than pertinent and could give some clarity. But only if all the different actors are ready to listen to each other with respect. And if a concrete methodology is proposed to be able to go beyond the juxtaposition of opinions, to build up consent and mobilization. Furthermore, a broad and active support the IC to the local WSF organizing comittee is fundamental.
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> These are and have been concrete challenges for the IC for many years.
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> The present situation brings up some memories about how difficult it is to find the perfect conditions for the organization of a WSF. I'm not surprised that tensions subsist, they are inherent to the WSF. The question now is, will we be able to acknowledge that tensions can be the motor of creative utopias that make us move forward - like the horizon that moves back with every step we make (as Galeano used to say)? A horizon that is hopefully plural and open-ended, and that is needed more that ever!
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> That said, if some of you want to pursue this conversation, I would be glad to have an informal moment to share about the WSF on May 23rd, during the 2nd edition of the Viral Open Space (online social forum proposed to connect positive responses in the context of Covid-19 - www.viralopenspace.net <http://www.viralopenspace.net/>). What do you think Rita, Francine, Jai, Chico, Tyler, Ole (were you thinking on proposing an activity like this, as you already did during the first Viral Open Space?), and the other friends in this list ?
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> I am finally finishing my PhD thesis (on transnational spaces of mobilization, including Occupy, Global Square, the WSF 2013 and 2016), so kindly excuse me if I am slow to respond. I will have more time after May 19.
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> Stay safe, positive and creative :)
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> Carminda
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> Carminda Mac Lorin
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> General Director - Katalizo <http://www.katalizo.org/>
> RÏSE <http://www.rise-global.ca/> / Viral Open Space <http://www.viralopenspace.net/>
> carminda.maclorin at katalizo.org <mailto:carminda.maclorin at katalizo.org>
> www.katalizo.org <http://www.katalizo.org/>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 5:38 PM Jai Sen <jai.sen at cacim.net <mailto:jai.sen at cacim.net>> wrote:
> Wednesday, May 6, 2020
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> Dear Francine
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> Thanks for your further mail, and for the attachments. I at least have found both your mail and the attachment/s very useful to read.
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> Dear Rita
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> Thanks for your mail too. Again, I found it very useful to read, and especially when read together with the attachment/s that Francine sent. I now have some idea of the sequence in which things happened, and of what transpired.
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> There were bound to be differences of opinion, and it seems that there were. That is in the nature of all ‘our’ work, and very much of the Forum. But from both your mails, it seems that the differences perhaps also crossed certain important lines that are more difficult to handle. The interpretation of the WSF’s Charter was always very subjective, and left itself open to a very wide berth of opinions.
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> We have not heard from any of the people I copied in and requested that they come in and offer their views. But that was only yesterday. So I’m copying them in here too, and am still hoping that they will come in - but soon; there is so much happening in the world at the moment that it is difficult to keep attention hanging !
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> This said, I guess to have to make clear that this list of course cannot be a place for any resolution of differences. But as a relatively open space, it can perhaps offer a space for different opinions and analyses to be put forward, which might be helpful, since they are likely to carefully formulated, so that a more comprehensive perspective becomes available; and where – since this list has many people with a wide range of experience on it -, it could well be that there may be some useful insights put forward, and suggestions made. The time space that a list offers is also different from a real-time exchange, giving time for digestion and reflection. I’m hoping so.
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> In solidarity and in hope –
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> Jai
>
>
>> On May 5, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Rita Freire <freirefreirerita at gmail.com <mailto:freirefreirerita at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Francine
>>
>> Grateful for the frankness that is characteristic of you, I would like to add some aspects that this discussion group should also consider.
>>
>> The consultation on whether or not there is an WSF 2021 in Mexico was made by deliberation of the International Council itself alongside other decisions taken at the January meeting in Porto Alegre, and not by any Mexican committee, and so I stick to its effects.
>>
>> The January decisions were
>>
>> 1) Do not call WSF 2021 until after a dialogue with organizations inside and outside the process.
>> 2) Prepare a pre-call as the base text for this dialogue
>> 3) Maintain the WSF 2021 proposal in Mexico as "indicative", awaiting acceptance and commitment from the organizations consulted within and outside the International Council.
>>
>> Post meeting in Porto Alegre
>>
>> 1) The coronavirus crisis has made dialogue the more urgent step to determine how the WSF process can contribute so that civil society can influence the situation
>> 2) As a face-to-face debate is not possible, this dialogue must take place over the internet and is being proposed for June.
>> 3) Consultations on movements, next to the pre-call, are just beginning.
>>
>> In Mexico
>>
>> I agree with Francine that the Mexican process is going through turbulence in some aspects. However, it is natural for this to happen, since
>> this is not yet clearly guided by an official decision of the International Council, even if there is the collaboration of some organizations more attentive to the process.
>>
>> Our contributions do not always lead to what we seek. Francine even took part in a debate with Mexican organizations to which was posed, especially by Boaventura, the possibility that the Mexicans would refound the WSF, changing the charter of principles. This also created natural confusion, as the WSF in México was just an initial proposal.
>>
>> As some participants are still arriving at the process, without really understanding it, they interpreted the criticism in their own way. They want to be admitted to facilitate the process, despite disagreeing with the existence of neoliberalism in the world and advocated for the services of corporations such as google. This has led facilitating organizations to invoke the Charter of Principles as a condition for joining a facilitating group. This attitude, although aimed at protecting organizational instances, contradicted those who criticize aspects of the letter, even for more noble reasons.
>>
>> None of this turbulence seems to me a reason to decide the future of the WSF or if we should have a 2021 edition in Mexico. Mexican construction will find its way at the moment when international organizations and movements take over the process together with local organizations.
>>
>> What is on the table is the need for dialogue between organizations on the next steps of the WSF at this time. Making this dialogue was the decision of Porto Alegre, with openness to proposals for changes in direction. This call is still the last major event in the process. The consultation that begins is the present fact. The next one will be the success or not of the June meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope Francine is there.
>> Op 05/05/2020 om 18:06 schreef Francine Mestrum via WSM-Discuss:
>>> Dear Jai,
>>>
>>> Thank you so very much for your answer. I fully understand your reasoning and highly apporeciate the efforts your are making.
>>>
>>> I understand my letter may have surprised you, but you should know that it is the result of several meetings and notes of the past months. I spend almost 6 months in Mexico last winter, so I was able to attend several meetings and have seen the situation worsening.
>>>
>>> I will certainly not bother you with all the details of the sometimes difficult discussions. I just add the French and English version of a note of mid- February that will clarify what is happening.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot and let us hope this will bring a positive solution.
>>>
>>> Francine
>>>
>>> Op 05/05/2020 om 16:48 schreef Jai Sen:
>>>> Tuesday, May 5, 2020
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Francine
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for sharing with us all this absolutely frank, and straightforward, letter that you have sent to the members of the WSF International Council. I am stunned to read what you have to say. And I’m now so glad I asked you to come in and comment – though I never expected that this would be the kind of thing that you might have to say.
>>>>
>>>> In responding, I of course have to say that we have to see what you have shared with us as of course only one opinion of what took place at the meeting in Porto Alegre in January. But nevertheless, what you have said remains stunning, and of course so deeply disappointing to hear. And if I may add this, I also personally feel so much for you given the crushing disappointment you must now be feeling, given – as all of us who have been involved with the organisational aspects of the WSF know – the many, many years that you have devoted to the WSF, and the hope you have invested in it… and especially at this historical juncture.
>>>>
>>>> It is of course not for me to comment as yet on what you have said beyond what I've said above, and so what I'm doing is taking the liberty of copying in here two people I know and respect and who I see from the documents that Tord circulated were present at the Porto Alegre meeting, Chico Whitaker and Carminda Mac Lorin, with the very personal request to each of you – Chico and Carminda – to please respond and give your comments on the Porto Alegre meeting and on what Francine has said here.
>>>>
>>>> (For those on this list who do not know this, Chico Whitaker (of Brazil) was one of the founders of the World Social Forum, and is widely seen – in his own words ! – as ‘one of the uncles of the Forum’; and Carminda Mac Lorin was one of the main organisers of the FSM / WSF in Montreal in 2016.)
>>>>
>>>> I am also copying in another person who has also been deeply involved with the WSF over many years and who in the past decade was particularly engaged, at strategic levels, and who I deeply respect, Gustave Massiah, of France; for any comments you would like to add.
>>>>
>>>> Let me only add that this return to this subject, on this list - World Social Movement Discuss, which grew out of an earlier list ‘World Social Forum Discuss’ -, is especially meaningful : Because this is precisely why some of us set up the WSFDiscuss list in the first place, in 2006, as an independent ‘open space’ for the horizontal sharing of information on the World Social Forum and for critical discussion of what it was doing, all in order to help strengthen the great social and political experiment that had by then been nicknamed ‘the Forum’.
>>>>
>>>> I therefore now hope that we might again be able to do so here on this list, even now… and I am therefore deeply hopeful that Chico, Carminda, and Gustave, you will reply. Please…
>>>>
>>>> With thanks, and in hope,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jai
>>>>
>>>> Copy : Chico Whitaker, Carminda Mac Lorin, Gustave Massiah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Francine Mestrum via WSM-Discuss <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Since Jai, asked my opinion, this is the letter I just sent to the International Council of the WSF:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear friends of the International Council,
>>>>>
>>>>> You will have received the documents of the Facilitating Committee of the WSF Mexico with a pre-invitation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to explain very briefly why I voted ‘no’ to this proposal. I think that, at this moment, the Committee is not able to organize a Social Forum.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) The Committee is extremely weak and all but democratic. Comments and questions of those who do not totally agree with the proposals are simply ignored. It is a very weird interpretation of what they see as ‘consensus’. For instance, as the thematic axes necessarily have to be the result of the proposals of participating movements, I proposed a simple framework within which these proposals can be integrated. Nevertheless, the group continues to work with a predetermined list of axes in which even the struggles against authoritarianism and fascism are failing! You will understand that various organisations already have left this facilitating committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) In 2021 the WSF will celebrate its 20th anniversary! This is an excellent opportunity to invite movements and organisations that till now did not take part in the Forum so that the process can be enlarged. It is also an opportunity to reflect and discuss the rules and principles of the WSF. This is what a small group of members of the IC has proposed. They want to organize, inside the Forum, a debate on the relevance of the Charter of Principles after 20 years. For these two reasons, they propose to ask all facilitators and participants in the Forum not to ‘agree with the Charter of Principles’ but to ‘respect the Charter of Principles’. This simple change is also totally rejected and people are asked to sign a ‘letter of commitment’ of two full pages!
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, the current process is excluding and bureaucratic and it lacks the most minimal sense of democracy. I could give you many other examples. Without fundamental changes, I cannot participate in such a process. After almost twenty years of work for and in the WSF, this really hurts. But I think that all persons and all opinions deserve some respect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 04/05/2020 om 23:02 schreef Tord Björk via WSM-Discuss:
>>>>>> FIY
>>>>>> Tord Björk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> email: tord.bjork at gmail.com <mailto:tord.bjork at gmail.com>, skype: tordbjork, tel: +46 (0)722 15 16 90
>>>>>> address: Götgatan 7 A, 29133 Kristianstad, Sweden
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Mirek Prokeš <mirek.prokes at gmail.com <mailto:mirek.prokes at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:39 PM
>>>>>> Subject: World Social Forum: Pre-call to movements
>>>>>> To: Tord Björk <tord.bjork at gmail.com <mailto:tord.bjork at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Cc: Balint <balint at unitedagainstracism.org <mailto:balint at unitedagainstracism.org>>, helga suleiman <helga.suleiman at gmail.com <mailto:helga.suleiman at gmail.com>>, Viktor Koren <viktor at iynf.org <mailto:viktor at iynf.org>>, Leo Gabriel <lgabriel at gmx.net <mailto:lgabriel at gmx.net>>, igor <igorgotlib0 at gmail.com <mailto:igorgotlib0 at gmail.com>>, matyas benyik <benyikmatyas at gmail.com <mailto:benyikmatyas at gmail.com>>, Aktivister för Fred <aktivisterforfred at gmail.com <mailto:aktivisterforfred at gmail.com>>, Dagmar Svendova <svendova at transform-network.net <mailto:svendova at transform-network.net>>, Bilinç Sezgin <bilinc at yeenet.eu <mailto:bilinc at yeenet.eu>>, Marek Hrubec <marek.hrubec at gmail.com <mailto:marek.hrubec at gmail.com>>, Kavan Jan <kavanjan17 at gmail.com <mailto:kavanjan17 at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear friends and comrades,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> three months after the meeting of the International Council in Porto Alegre, it has today published the attached call and conclusions of the meeting (by consensus).
>>>>>> Please spread the call, e.g. post it on your websites and facebook pages/groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good evening,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mirek
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Independent researcher, editor; Senior Fellow at the School of International Development and Globalisation Studies at the University of Ottawa
>>>>
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