[WSMDiscuss] Open letter on Ecuador - Boaventura de Sousa Santos
francine mestrum
mestrum at skynet.be
Wed Apr 7 16:39:56 CEST 2021
*April 7, 2021*
*Contacts:*
*Medea Benjamin*, medea at codepink.org <mailto:medea at codepink.org>,
415-235-6517
*Leonardo Flores*, leonardo at codepink.org <mailto:leonardo at codepink.org>,
202-840-4292
*CODEPINK electoral observation delegations arrives in Ecuador*
Delegates from peace organization CODEPINK begin to arrive in Ecuador
today at the invitation of the National Electoral Council (CNE), in
advance of the presidential election being held on Sunday, April 11.
This electoral observation mission is composed of 6 U.S. citizens and 1
Mexican citizen. This multidisciplinary team will meet with electoral
authorities, members of civil society, candidates, and ordinary
Ecuadorian citizens, among others.
“Our electoral mission is completely independent and will follow the
guidelines established by the CNE, which include impartiality and
objectivity. We are concerned by recent events that hint at possible
electoral interference by the government of Colombia and the U.S. Senate
Foreign Relations Committee. The people of Ecuador must have the liberty
to carry out elections in a free, fair and transparent manner,” said
CODEPINK delegation member Leonardo Flores.
These elections are critical given the fact that Ecuador has been
devastated by the pandemic (and a broken-down health system), an
economic crisis (including the low price of oil), corruption scandals
and economic mismanagement. In recent years, the economic crisis has led
to social strife, including massive protests in October 2019 that rocked
the country. The current president Lenin Moreno has an abysmal approval
rating under 10 percent.
The two presidential contenders offer very distinct solutions. Andrés
Arauz follows in the tradition of former President Rafael Correa in
calling for increased public spending and more equitable redistribution,
while Carlos Lasso calls for austerity and more business incentives. The
election will not only determine the future of Ecuador, but will have an
impact on all of Latin America as countries throughout the region
grapple with how to confront economic upheavals that have been
exacerbated by the pandemic.
On 30/03/2021 17:42, Steven Johnson via WSM-Discuss wrote:
> A Portuguese version of Atawallpa Oviedo's reply to Boaventura de
> Souza has been published at:
>
> https://www.15-15-15.org/webzine/2021/03/26/resposta-a-carta-aberta-de-boaventura-de-sousa-santos-a-dois-jovens-indigenas-equatorianos/
> <https://www.15-15-15.org/webzine/2021/03/26/resposta-a-carta-aberta-de-boaventura-de-sousa-santos-a-dois-jovens-indigenas-equatorianos/>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:10 PM Steven Johnson
> <thinkingaloud at gmail.com <mailto:thinkingaloud at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> An English version has been published....
>
> "Reply to the open letter of Boaventura de Sousa Santos to two
> young indigenous Ecuadorians"
> https://www.15-15-15.org/webzine/2021/03/26/reply-to-the-open-letter-of-boaventura-de-sousa-santos-to-two-young-indigenous-ecuadorians/
> <https://www.15-15-15.org/webzine/2021/03/26/reply-to-the-open-letter-of-boaventura-de-sousa-santos-to-two-young-indigenous-ecuadorians/>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 5:23 PM maniazad--- via WSM-Discuss
> <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net
> <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>> wrote:
>
> Dear Jai
> I find this following para that you wrote :
> "But going on from this, my primary level response to the
> question you have also asked (‘does that mean that the voice
> of an indigenous person has, per definition, more value than
> the voice of a white man?”),”) would be : Yes, I do think
> this, and especially in a situation like this when the person
> responding is talking in relation to his or her own life, and
> in relation to the lives of the community and society of which
> he or she is a member, and especially when that person is
> responding to someone – however much that person might ‘know’
> (or thinks he ‘knows’), or might want to speak – who is an
> outsider; and especially, given the brutality of the history
> of coloniality, a white man."
> very nice and definitely correct. nobody can (and allowed to)
> represent the pain and feeling of a discriminated person as
> she/he dose.
> Piran Azad
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 26. März 2021 um 16:22 Uhr
> *Von:* "francine mestrum via WSM-Discuss"
> <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net
> <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>>
> *An:* wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net
> <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>
> *Cc:* "francine mestrum" <mestrum at skynet.be
> <mailto:mestrum at skynet.be>>
> *Betreff:* Re: [WSMDiscuss] Open letter on Ecuador -
> Boaventura de Sousa Santos
>
> For those who want to know more, a fine-tuned analysis of the
> political situation in Ecuador, by Pablo Davalos - for now
> only in Spanish:
>
> http://pablo-davalos.blogspot.com/2021/03/el-movimiento-indigena-en-el-laberinto.html
> <http://pablo-davalos.blogspot.com/2021/03/el-movimiento-indigena-en-el-laberinto.html>
>
> Francine
>
> On 25/03/2021 17:46, francine mestrum via WSM-Discuss wrote:
>
> Dear Jai,
>
> That was an interesting answer, because it so clearly
> shows you and Atawalpa and others are driving a huge wedge
> among ways of thinking and living. And again, as I said in
> my earlier answer, that is not what we should be doing, on
> the contrary.
>
> But ok, I have no problem in spending the rest of my life
> as a ‘eurocentric’ and ‘colonialist’, I hope Atawalpa can
> do away with the ‘stalinist’, which is one of the many
> elements in his letter that show he does not know what he
> is talking about. ‘We’ may not understand indigenous
> thinking, he clearly does not understand ‘European’
> thinking, if such a thing exists, which I doubt.
>
> I was indeed born in Europe, and yes, I lived in the
> privileged situation that I had the occasion to travel the
> world and get to ‘know’ – as far as a European is able to
> do so, of course – African, Latin and Asian cultures and
> people. And I thank my different professors of cultural
> and political anthropology for sharing their knowledge
> with me. The one who recently influenced me most is
> Philippe Descola who, starting from his work with Amazon
> people, proposes an ontology of indigenous and other
> thinking, especially concerning our relation to nature.
> And you see Jai, that is what ‘we’ – if I am allowed to
> say so – do to look at the world when we try to understand
> it. It is an ongoing task, no knowledge is ready and
> final, but it is rational and scientific thinking.
> ‘Pensasientos’ may be fine in daily life, but it is
> dangerous to build knowledge on it, because, most of all,
> feelings do not compromise.
>
> You see, this horrible ‘western’ knowledge, the child of
> centuries of history with wars an conflicts, is like any
> other knowledge. It is the result of social relations and
> it changes with time and with changing power relations. In
> this development, it is not enough to refute words and
> names, however important they are, but to change
> substantially. If you do not like the word ‘emancipation’,
> ok, but this is how we name the fight Latin indigenous
> people are now involved in, rightly so. They are freeing
> themselves from knowledge and social relations that have
> been imposed on them, again, rightly so. But this, dear
> Jai, can never be a one-way road. It is never by flatly
> rejecting and refuting something, building an imaginary
> unity that does not exist in reality, that you come closer
> to what you want.
>
> Because you see Jai, indigenous people are not that
> special, in the same way as women or blacks are not that
> special. We are all normal people, like you and me, with
> our weaknesses and our strengths. There is no unity among
> indigenous, women or black people. I think it would be a
> sad mistake to change ‘eurocentrism’ for ‘latincentrism’
> or ‘indigocentrism’. That will not take us any further.
>
> Because what ‘we’, in Europe, ‘know’, is that we are one
> humankind, that we are interdependent, that we have to
> live together, to learn from each other, to seek
> compromises, to be ready and willing to change. And that
> universal humankind, Jai, is built on the respect of all
> our differences which will never disappear. That is why we
> have these – again, horrible, western – human rights.
>
> It does not help then to see ‘no major differences between
> Celtic philosophy, Inca, Maya, Hindu…’and ‘everyone living
> in harmony under the sky’. It may surely have been more
> easy in the past to live in harmony when there was only
> half a billion people on this earth, but still, come and
> take a walk in Mexico City to look at the tzompantli or
> read about the human sacrifices and cannibalism. But maybe
> my understanding of ‘harmony’ is too Eurocentric?
>
> So, finally, I would urge Atawalpa to take a more
> ‘reasonable’ (horror, horror Eurocentric) stand and look
> at the world as it is, his look will not be the same as
> ours, but we may try to get closer, to see what we have in
> common, with ups and downs. This is also how I have always
> understood Boaventura, it is not the most simple way, but
> the most fruitful one, as I understand. We live together
> in one world, on one planet. Whatever your and our
> history, there also is a future, and we can make it better
> than the past, if only we can try and truly understand
> each other, not if we are convinced this is flatly
> impossible. That is the exercise we should all be involved
> in if we believe that ‘another world is possible’.
>
> Francine
>
> On 24/03/2021 21:41, Jai Sen wrote:
>
> Wednesday, March 24, 2021
>
> Dear Francine
>
> Apologies for the delay in my reply to
> your post, but here are my thoughts :
>
> I’m glad you agree that it is a very positive thing to
> have this discussion going, with several people, from
> different countries
>
> But you then say some very significant things that I
> confess I have problems with, so please allow me to
> respond point by point. You say :
>
> But it is very sad to see how this discussion is
> going, because it has nothing to do anymore with
> elections or with politics
>
> I’m in turn sad to know that you feel this, because as
> I see it, the response by Atawalpa Oviedo Freire has
> everything to do with politics ! Yes, his response
> does not have so much to do with the immediate issue
> of the elections, but I anyway think that it’s
> unfortunate that most of us are taught to think of
> ‘politics’ primarily in terms of elections – whereas
> as I see it, Atawalpa Oviedo Freire is reading, and
> talking about, politics at a higher level : Of
> colonialism, of knowledge imperialism, and so on.
>
> You then go on to say :
>
> You are also right to say that no one should be
> silenced, but I would add, can we at least expect
> people to use rational arguments? Or is that also
> 'eurocentric'?
>
> Frankly, I’m not just surprised but shocked that you
> should read, and dismiss, Atawalpa Oviedo Freire’s
> response as being “irrational”. I don’t see what he
> has said, and how he has said it, as being
> ‘irrational’ at all; to the opposite, I see what he
> has said in his reply as being intensely rational, and
> logical – indeed, addressing the core, the heart, of
> what Boa wrote. But I think I also see two more
> things : One, that he speaks in a language of
> rationality that does not match yours – and so you
> perhaps can’t ‘read’ it, and so you dismiss it; and
> second, I also feel that you perhaps respect Boa and
> his arguments so much, and hold him at such a high
> level, that you have been infuriated that anyone could
> even think of responding as Atawalpa Oviedo Freire
> has, directly contradicting Boa – and as a result, you
> have, I feel (and please excuse my saying this), lost
> your own, normal, balance here.
>
> As for the last part of this para, “… can we at least
> expect people to use rational arguments? Or is that
> also 'eurocentric'?”, in short yes, Francine, I do
> feel that what you've said here is eurocentric. As
> others have argued, and do argue, much better than I
> can, Eurocentricism is wedded – among other things –
> to the idea that its particular mode of logic, and its
> cosmological vision, is the only valid one; and it
> tends to dismiss all other ways of seeing things as
> being lower / less valid, if not actually invalid (and
> ‘irrational’) – as you have said here, I’m sad to
> say. It also holds that there is ultimately only one
> valid frame of logic, of knowledge, of knowing, and of
> being. And among other things, it does not see the
> world in relational terms – and even if it took a
> European to explicate the idea of relativity, but
> where within my limited knowledge, we haven’t yet
> explored the full philosophical and social
> implications of this breakthrough understanding, at
> least within popular culture.
>
> You then go on to say :
>
> If you say that Atawalpa's letter has to be published
> because he is an indigenous person, does that mean
> that the voice of an indigenous person has, per
> definition, more value than the voice of a white man?
> Even is that white man is precisely someone who has
> been promoting, for years, the epistemologies of the
> South, has been working closely with indigenous
> people, has been working on popular education ...
> Atawalpa's letter, unfortunately is pure character
> assassination, and that is not what I call a good
> discussion.
>
> There are several issues here. In relation to your
> first sentence (“If you say that Atawalpa's letter has
> to be published because he is an indigenous person,
> does that mean that the voice of an indigenous person
> has, per definition, more value than the voice of a
> white man?”), I firstly think it is very sad indeed
> that you should read my urging that Steven Johnson
> post a translation in English of Atawalpa Oviedo
> Freire’s letter in Spanish – to make it accessible to
> the majority of readers on the list – in this way.
> Indeed, I am, again, even shocked, that you would hold
> such a view. Please re-read my request : I was not,
> in any way, suggesting that his view had “more value”;
> I was only implicitly recognising that at the
> international level, but also in most ‘national’
> contexts, the general structural reality is that
> peoples of dominant societies (such as Boa, yourself,
> and myself) have control over the relations of
> production of knowledge, and that peoples such as
> Indigenous Peoples have much less access; and so I
> wanted that Atawalpa Oviedo Freire’s views be
> available / accessible at the same level (the old
> ‘level playing field’ issue…). And where in this
> case, since the list on which we are primarily having
> this exchange, WSMDiscuss, is primarily
> English-speaking (which is the world dominant colonial
> language), his views, expressed in Spanish, were not
> accessible to most list members. Simply this.
>
> Now that I have pointed this out, I would very much
> like to hope that you might like to reconsider what
> you have said.
>
> But going on from this, my primary level response to
> the question you have also asked (‘does that mean that
> the voice of an indigenous person has, per definition,
> more value than the voice of a white man?”),”) would
> be : Yes, I do think this, and especially in a
> situation like this when the person responding is
> talking in relation to his or her own life, and in
> relation to the lives of the community and society of
> which he or she is a member, and especially when that
> person is responding to someone – however much that
> person might ‘know’ (or thinks he ‘knows’), or might
> want to speak – who is an outsider; and especially,
> given the brutality of the history of coloniality, a
> white man.
>
> I’m sad to have to say this, but I had thought that
> ‘we’, on this list, and of the kinds of social and
> perhaps also political backgrounds most of us come
> from, already accepted this as given, at least in
> broad terms. But clearly not, from what you have
> said. This is an eye-opener.
>
> And finally in this para of yours, you say “Atawalpa's
> letter, unfortunately is pure character assassination,
> and that is not what I call a good discussion”. I’m
> sorry, Francine, but I disagree – I don’t see any
> element of ‘character assassination’ in Atawalpa
> Oviedo Freire’s response. You might be uncomfortable
> with the way he has portrayed someone you respect, but
> saying this is way over the top. And beyond this, I’m
> truly sad to see you resorting to using terms like
> ‘character assassination’ as a way of dismissing
> someone who is speaking to you, and with whom you
> disagree. It’s just too easy to do.
>
> You then go on to say :
>
> Furthermore, I have learned that we should not look at
> who is talking but if the things that are being said
> are emancipatory, are progressive (yes!), do help us
> to shape a better world. Essentialist positions cannot
> help us to work together.
>
> I think I have said enough that you know where I stand
> on this; but I again question your implicitly very
> singular definitions of terms such as “emancipatory”
> and “progressive”. Given the inequality of the world –
> a world that the more powerful sections of societies
> have played roles in constructing, and in our times
> are ensuring that the inequality remains -, I’d again
> suggest you consider the possibility that people in
> other positions, and structurally located differently,
> might experience and perceive (and even define) these
> terms differently. Indeed, I think that this is a lot
> of what Atawalpa Oviedo Freire has said, in his reply;
> and where this is a part of the ‘politics’ that he
> discusses. Can we see this, read this ? Are we
> listening ?
>
> You then say :
>
> Boaventura has been the one who has for years, been
> trying to 'open up the analytical spaces', to take
> into account indigenous knowledges, to learn from each
> other. Therefore, the accusations in Atawalpa's letter
> are not serious.
>
> Again, you can perhaps anticipate my response. First,
> I’m so sad to see you dismissing Atawalpa Oviedo
> Freire’s opinions as being “not serious” – simply on
> the count that noone could possibly say this about
> Boa. Yes, I allow that Boa has indeed been trying to
> do this for years; but can you even allow the
> possibility that someone else might not see what he
> has been doing – and more specifically, his present
> letter in question – in this way ? And in the same
> way as you do, coming as you do, from broadly the same
> structurally privileged location ? (Aside from being
> his colleague, in some endeavours anyway.) And where
> again, Atawalpa Oviedo Freire has even explicitly said
> this : That he feels that Boa, when he visited them
> some years back and had extensive discussions, seems
> to have not listened to them, to their voices. This
> might be distressing for you to hear, but can you
> allow that this is possible ? And that that some
> shades of coloniality may be playing themselves out,
> in what is happening ?
>
> You have also said a few other things, but I think I
> should leave this here. Frankly, I also have several
> issues with Boa’s original letter, but again, this is
> already long enough and so I will keep this limited to
> a reply only to your post, and to your questions to me.
>
> In short, Francine, I have to confess that I find
> myself disagreeing with almost everything you have to
> say here, but beyond this, I’m sorry but I feel I also
> have to say but you do sound distressingly European,
> and colonial, in this post of yours. With all due
> respect, I’d therefore like to urge you to reflect a
> little on what you have said in your post.
>
> Best –
>
> Jai
>
> On Mar 18, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Jai Sen
> <jai.sen at cacim.net <mailto:jai.sen at cacim.net>> wrote:
>
> Thursday, March 18, 2021
>
> Dear Francine
>
> This is just an interim reply. Your reply has
> reached me late in an evening when I’m preparing
> both for a talk and a meeting tomorrow, and so I
> won’t be able to reply with the sensitivity that
> your post requires, perhaps even until Saturday.
> I’m sorry for this time clash, but I’m just not in
> a position right now to respond.
>
> I’d therefore like to therefore invite others on
> the list to of course feel free to respond to
> Francine’s post, and even if her email is
> addressed to me almost as an individual – because
> this list is of course an open space for
> exchange. And I’m also copying in here the two
> people I had copied in in my post to which you
> have replied Francine, Roberto Espinoza and Danilo
> Quijano, who I drew from in my post and who I see
> you didn’t include in your reply – for their
> information and in case they too would like to
> respond.
>
> Best – and with thanks for your patience -
>
> Jai
>
> On Mar 18, 2021, at 6:31 PM, francine mestrum
> via WSM-Discuss
> <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net
> <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Jai,
>
> You are very right to say it is a very
> positive thing to have this discussion going,
> with several people, from different countries.
>
> But it is very sad to see how this discussion
> is going, because it has nothing to do anymore
> with elections or with politics. You are also
> right to say that no one should be silenced,
> but I would add, can we at least expect people
> to use rational arguments? Or is that also
> 'eurocentric'?
>
> If you say that Atawalpa's letter has to be
> published because he is an indigenous person,
> does that mean that the voice of an indigenous
> person has, per definition, more value than
> the voice of a white man? Even is that white
> man is precisely someone who has been
> promoting, for years, the epistemologies of
> the South, has been working closely with
> indigenous people, has been working on popular
> education ... Atawalpa's letter, unfortunately
> is pure character assassination, and that is
> not what I call a good discussion.
>
> Furthermore, I have learned that we should not
> look at who is talking but if the things that
> are being said are emancipatory, are
> progressive (yes!), do help us to shape a
> better world. Essentialist positions cannot
> help us to work together.
>
> Boaventura has been the one who has for years,
> been trying to 'open up the analytical
> spaces', to take into account indigenous
> knowledges, to learn from each other.
> Therefore, the accusations in Atawalpa's
> letter are not serious.
>
> Do you honestly believe celtic people in
> Europe are rising? The philosophies of all
> indigenous people all over the world are similar?
>
> We surely have divergent opinions Jai, I have
> never seen it as a problem, but this kind of
> letter does not contribute to the mutual
> understanding we need.
>
> Please, re-read both letters, you will see how
> very careful Boaventura puts his questions,
> and you will see how very biased Atawalpa is
> answering.
>
> This really makes me very sad. If mutual
> understanding with Boaventura is not possible,
> then, with whom?
>
> Francine
>
> On 18/03/2021 18:00, Jai Sen wrote:
>
> Thursday, March 18, 2021
>
> Thanks, Steven Johnson, for posting
> Atawalpa Oviedo’s response to Boaventura
> de Sousa Santos’ ‘open letter’; and thanks
> now for saying that you have already
> translated it into English (and for
> inviting someone to help you proof it
> before posting it).
>
> First, as list admin for WSMDiscuss, I
> want to openly express my appreciation of
> this coming forward by more and more list
> members from different parts of the world
> – with posts, with translations (muchos
> gracias, Martin !), and so on. This is
> great to see !
>
> Second, and while I appreciate Steven that
> you would want to get the translation to
> be as close as possible to the original,
> in spirit and in letter, /*can I suggest
> (and request !) that unless someone
> quickly offers to work with you to proof
> it, that you consider posting it as it is
> now, rough and ready */(and with a
> covering note saying this) ?
>
> I say this first because I have learned
> from a post on another list (by Roberto
> Espinoza, on the Crisis of Civilisations
> list) that the author, Atawalpa Oviedo, is
> an Indigenous Person and a member of
> Pachakutik – and so it’s very important, I
> think, to get this view up on WSMDiscuss
> as quickly as possible.
>
> And all the more so since I have learned
> from Roberto’s post that his post of
> Atawalpa Oviedo’s response on the list of
> the WSF International Council, four days
> ago, has – as of this morning – still not
> got even posted there…. And where he sees
> this, understandably, as :
>
> ¿ publicarán la respuesta de
> Atawalpa Oviedo, miembro de Pachakutik? ¿
> o será silenciado en forma "progresista y
> eurocéntrica"?
>
> [Google translation :]
>
> Will they publish the response of Atawalpa
> Oviedo, a member of Pachakutik? Or will he
> be silenced in a "progressive and
> Eurocentric" way?
>
> */So please do consider posting the
> translation you have done, even as it is
> !/* (Just for your information and
> comfort, I’ve often done so – though I use
> Google translation, which is now quite
> good; I don’t know if you’re also used
> that ?).
>
> In solidarity, and appreciation –
>
> Jai
>
> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Steven
> Johnson via WSM-Discuss
> <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net
> <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>>
> wrote:
> I have produced a draft English
> translation of Atawallpa Oviedo
> Freire's "Respuesta a la carta abierta
> de Boaventura de Sousa Santos" and a
> venue is considering this for
> publication. While my draft is
> intelligible, I'm fairly certain that
> it needs some further work before it
> will reach a level suitable for
> publication. If anybody here is able
> to review it and suggest corrections,
> or if you can recommend others who can
> do so, please email me to let me know,
> and I'll send you the draft.
> Thank you.
> Steven Johnson
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:25 AM
> Martin Mantxo via WSM-Discuss
> <wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net
> <mailto:wsm-discuss at lists.openspaceforum.net>>
> wrote:
>
> I guess you have seen a reply to
> tis letter by Atawallpa Oviedo
> Freire - i can't see it in English
> - I will try to translate it -
> otherways, can someone else do it
> ? quite busy right now
> https://oplas.org/sitio/2021/03/15/atawallpa-oviedo-freire-respuesta-a-la-carta-abierta-de-boaventura-de-sousa-santos/?fbclid=IwAR2Ok2FnqmVbpLHVQLT0KhTvybIIs5EvYLpuec6v0EZ-VYuIFGRy5rqlhIg
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> Part 1 : What Makes Us Move ?/*.New Delhi :
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> the first two books below, at a discount, and much
> more :/*The Movements of Movements
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>
> Jai Sen, ed, 2017 –*/The Movements of Movements, Part
> 1 : What Makes Us Move ?/*.New Delhi : OpenWord and
> Oakland, CA :PM Press.Ebook and hard copy available
> atPM Press <http://www.pmpress.org/>;hard copy only
> also atThe Movements of Movements
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> available atPM Press <http://www.pmpress.org/>;hard
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> Jai Sen, ed, 2018b –*/The Movements of Movements, Part
> 1 : What Makes Us Move ?/*(Indian edition). New Delhi
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> Press.Hard copy available atMOM1AmazonIN
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